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Colorado judge overturns ruling re: skill vs luck

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  • Started 10 months ago by Eric Blade
  • Latest reply from Big Jim Slade v2.0

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  1. http://www.casinogamblingweb.com/gambling-news/gambling-law/colorado_district_judge_overturns_poker_gambling_ruling_54271.html

    "...Weld County District Court Chief Judge James Hartmann has turned what was a potential victory for poker players, into a loss this past week. Hartmann overturned a lower court ruling that allowed a defendant to present evidence that poker was a game of skill.

    Hartmann, in his ruling, did acknowledge that there may be some skillful elements to poker, but that there is too much randomness in the cards that could overpower skill. It is the latest of many differing opinions handed down by judges across the US.

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    In the future, defendants will not be able to present the "skill" evidence when charged with a poker gambling crime. although the ruling has been clarified, many players in the state of Colorado still do not know whether or not they are doing anything illegal when they play the game of poker."

    What?!

    Posted 10 months ago #
  2. Big Jim Slade v2.0
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    As I read the plain language of Tom Jones's article in the Casino Gambling Web, I have to wonder if these are the words of the judge's ruling, or simply the way the editor described the ruling.

    The article says that because of the appellate ruling, defendants will no longer be allowed to present "evidence of skill". That just seems so odd, to not be allowed to present evidence in any future case.

    The article says that judge Hartmann pointed to the concept that "there is too much randomness in cards". I have to wonder how he knows how much randomness there is unless he is in possession of a Luckometer. This reminds me of the hot coffee at McDonald's case - How hot is too hot?

    Assuming anyone ever brought everything together..... A expert witness in "luck" and "randomness", and if the team also had in their possession a Luckometer to make proper measurements, I just don't see how a judge can refuse to hear expert testimony on the subject he is ruling on, particularly when such evidence contravenes his ruling.

    Casinos (or more precisely the companies that make the games for casinos) employ experts in luck and randomness. There are plenty of true experts out there.

    Posted 10 months ago #

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