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1. Thaddeusguru
   Member

   I love the game of poker but am unfortunately not very good. I hate, however, when someone at a table throws my playing statistics, and ROI in my face during a game. There are several sites that allow access to your playing statistics. I'm not sure, but believe the poker sites charge companies for access to this information. I've had my statistics blocked at a few of the larger and more reputable sites but some of them simply won't do it. Consequently, I went directly to "Full Tilt" and asked them to block access to my statistics. They assured me they don't share my statistics and have no way to block someone from watching me at a table. I believe the poker gaming sites should provide a mechanism for any player to stop his/her statistics from being accessed. Somehow, I'd like the Poker Player Alliance to help me with this endeavor.

   Posted 5 months ago #

2. kidkash
   Member

   The poker sites themselves do not give access to your stats - Sites like sharkscope are recording the data. This is technology at work and is not infringing on your privacy or rights you have access to the same data as us all.....

   gl
   Aaron

   Posted 5 months ago #

3. IndyFish
   Member

   I love the stats. Pokerprolabs (I have no affiliation with them, I just like the site)has a ranking system from 2 through ace with each "card" having 1 to 5 stars. I like to check back there after every few sng's to see how my ranking has changed. If you don't like people making fun of your stats, try reading a few good books (Harrington on Hold'em is good) and try to get better. In addition to improving your ROI, you may actually win some money....

   IndyFish

   Posted 5 months ago #

4. HoldemEagle
   Member

   Hi Thaddeusguru, it is agaisnt most sites rules for someone at a table to throw playing statistics or ROI in your face. You should report them when they do. This would stop if enough players would do this. The sites want you to be happy and will put a stop to this when they are told about it.

   SharkScope, Official Poker Rankings, PokerLabs TopShark and StarTracker all have ways to opt-out of part of your stats. Stop what you can.

   Good Luck at the Tables.

   HoldemEagle

   Posted 5 months ago #

5. Thaddeusguru
   Member

   Kidkash is obviously a Shill for Full Tilt. If you'll notice, my post didn't say a word about infringing on my rights. Those words were only used in my private Emails
   to Full Tilt. I find it hard to believe that there are so many dolts out there that
   simply don't understand what's going on. Let me point out a few facts and then sum
   it up with one easy question -----
   1. Shark Scope knows how often I fold in certain situations.
   2. They know how often I try to steal blinds.
   3. They know how often I raise pre-flop.
   4. They know, and proudly display, examples of my hands showing my hole cards (?).

   and now the simple question ----

   Where exactly to these sites get their statistics?

   Well, the answer is --- they're charged a fee so they can "Data Mine" the
   this information from Full Tilt's (and the other sites) data base. Lets see now,
   you pay Full Tilt so you can play, Full Tilt sells your stats so you can lose to
   someone else, and you say they want to keep everyone happy....... Toro poopoo!

   There is other corruption at these sites that I won't get into. They are located
   outside the United States and aren't bound by our laws or constitution.
   Consequently, they can do whatever they want. For this, and other reasons, I
   no longer support the right to play internet poker in the United States.

   Somebody has to fix this, but who?

   Posted 5 months ago #

6. HoldemEagle
   Member

   You Said:

   1. Shark Scope knows how often I fold in certain situations.
   2. They know how often I try to steal blinds.
   3. They know how often I raise pre-flop.
   4. They know, and proudly display, examples of my hands showing my hole cards (?).

   This sounds like Poker-edge not Sharkscope. Poker-edge is banned from FullTilt and PokerStars for your list of reasons. Sharkscope keeps track of wins/lose stats.

   Poker-edge takes all it's users game data and forms a data base of all the hands it's users played or was just at the table with. How the hand was played by anyone at that table.

   Poker Sites Do not give your hand history out to Poker-edge or any other company.

   Hope this helps.

   Eagle

   Posted 4 months ago #

7. mmateo
   Member

   Sharkscope is for SNGs only its crap and you can opt out of your stats being seen. And thats all it shows stats, games played and at what level, and your win loss rate on a graph. Shows hands??? Your on crack. Fold, raise, steal blinds, win ratio on sharkscope yea right again your on crack. Unless sngs are all you play but its still crap. You could have a crappy roi at 1$ sngs and win a couple $100 sngs and be way up in BR. So what does it really matter...You could lose $100 today and win $2000 tomorrow and still have a crap ROI because of the amount of games played at lower limits.

   Most other sites like pokerplayerwinnings and others show a win loss rate. Anyone on any table can request a hand history of that hand. How do you think hand histories for high and low stakes games are posted on so many sites by people not even in the hands???

   You talk like there are poker spies logging every hand on every table and showing all cards to anyone who wants to see them. Do us all a favor and put the pipe down before you post more of your BS.

   Posted 4 months ago #

8. XJ22
   Member

   Thank you all so very much for this information. I knew there was a method to the madness on these sites. I couldn't understand how or why people were making the calls they were making and winning. NOW I DO!!!!!!!!!!!!! People just have to take the fun out of everything with their greed and cheating ways. Is there NO sense of HONOR among the human race. I live in Las Vegas were gaming is tightly controlled and regulated. It works. I think they should do the same for online gaming too. BUT there will be those computer nerds out there who just HAVE to beat the system. I play to have fun with out having to go out to fight the crowds and be bombarded by the glitz and glamour that is Vegas and it's a shame there are people out there that are ruining this as well.

   Posted 4 months ago #

9. Thaddeusguru
   Member

   O.K. Mmateo If I'm on crack then you're on heroin. Either that or your head is so
   far up your butt you don't see anything. I was using Shark Scope as an example of a variety of sites that are out there because it is one of the most well known. So now lets replace Shark Scope with "Poker Crusher" and then try to tell me I'm on crack
   Pull your head out of your butt idiot and realize you're being scammed. I've had my stats blocked at some of the more reputable sites (Shark scope being one of them) but there are a bunch out there that aren't quite so reputable. It's like XJ22 said, I
   play this game for fun and I don't want to see a lot of corruption ruin it.

   Oh and by the way idiot (Mmateo), when you go to Poker Crusher ask them to email you a complete
   history of your stats so you can see exactly what they know about you.

   Posted 4 months ago #

10. mmateo
    Member

    I dont worry about others looking at my stats because im not a LOSING player. Do you see Ivey or Dwan complaining that anyone can see they lost hundreds of thousands and even a million this year so far online. No because all they care about is what happens at the table there sitting at right now. Like I said you can lose today and win big tomorrow who fxxking cares about stats...Except crybaby losing players such as yourself.

    Posted 4 months ago #

11. mmateo
    Member

    Player Type:
    mmateo is a Bomb (Aggressive/Aggressive). Most top poker professionals are bombs, and their aggressive play makes the table fear them. With Poker Crusher™, you know immediately what player types you're facing, thanks to an easy-to-read icon beside each opponent's name.

    Pre-Flop Tendency:
    SEMI LOOSE - The Poker Crusher™ software automatically color codes neutral players in BLACK for easy identification.

    Strengths:
    mmateo plays very aggressively and is often in control of the table. mmateo wins most pots without even going to showdown, and gets paid off with big hands because other players simply do not he/she has them.

    Weaknesses:
    Playing so many hands often gets mmateo into tricky post-flop situations where difficult decisions have to be made.

    Best Advice:
    mmateo needs to be aware of image at the table. Good players will start to play back at mmateo once they recognize his/her aggression.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    So whats the problem

    Posted 4 months ago #

12. DrCheckRaise
    Member

    You all got off the sbject a bit. His original request to have PPA help him stop the sharing of this information. Truth is. if these companies want to gather this info, organize it, and seel it, then it is within thier right to do so.. Since it is not a right to privacy issue, (because these games are public) then it is a freedom of speech issue and is protected speech. This cannot and should not be changed

    Posted 4 months ago #

13. Thaddeusguru
    Member

    I give up -- especially on mmateo

    These responses simply prove the old adage

    I G N O R A N C E
    I S
    B L I S S

    Posted 4 months ago #

14. mmateo
    Member

    You said go to poker crusher and wha wha about what they new about me. So I did and I even posted it on here to prove to your loser aXX it means nothing. If you dont like your stats learn how to play. Dont blame web sites because they show how bad of player you are.

    Posted 4 months ago #

15. mmateo
    Member

    And tell me this how is looking at a site like this cheating??? You also say the sites sell this info. Poker tracker, sharkscope buys it but lets me access it for free??? PLEASE!!!! People come and go so often in cash games it would be a waste of time to look up stats on each and every player on the 4-8 tables I play at any given time. You donked off your money or chips at a game you were crying at then somebody threw your awful stats at you so you came on here to cry. Funny how not one successful player cries about there stats open to public view. I think all poker is rigged especially live. The dealers manipulate the cards by shuffling a certain way to control the outcome of hands. Watch the WSOP and explain the suckouts and miracle river cards. I G N O R A N C E=Thaddeusguru You should rename this topic I suck at poker and want to cry about it, or ALL POKER IS RIGGED, or WHY CANT I WIN A HAND

    Oh yeah its because the other players at your table can see your stats so they can make miracle calls against you. Your a fxxking joke. Come play me any time i play on Full Tilt, Ultimate Bet, Poker Stars, and Cake under the same name mmateo

    Put up or shut up donk

    Posted 4 months ago #

16. Thaddeusguru
    Member

    mmateo - you stupid Dolt........ Did you happen to look up my stats while you
    were browsing around "Poker Crusher"? Guess what? The summary report about
    me says exactly (to the word) the same thing yours does. It's a shame you're so ignorant. You can't even carry on an intelligent conversation. If you'd read
    a little bit about these sites (you do know how to read don't you?) you could figure
    out how they make their money. I was going to stop responding to this post after my
    last message. But you're so stupid and funny that this is entertaining. (Sad, but
    entertaining). Now you're trying to tell me they deal off the bottom of the deck
    at the WSOP. Did your parents have any children that lived?

    Posted 4 months ago #

17. mmateo
    Member

    And who's the idiot. Sarcasm do you know what that means. Sharkscope makes money by donations. 5 free look ups is enough for me. Do you actually pay??? Same with the others. Some info is free but if you want more in depth information you have the option to pay. I can read fine can you comprehend what you read. I reference the WSOP being rigged like most losing players such as yourself reference online poker as being rigged. Your a fxcking moron who cant play poker and came on here blaming it on sharkscope and the like because they post your stats. I play a player the same if I look them up or not. And I usually dont unless i beat them so bad and am curious to see if they are a loser player like you or just got caught. Most players dont have the time during play to research every player at a table. These sites mean nothing to how poker is played or how people play against you. You could be labeled a maniac and be down thousands. You could be labeled tight and be down thousands. Keep blaming info sites on your inability to play.

    Posted 4 months ago #

18. mmateo
    Member

    Whats your player name and we'll play ill even come down to .05 .10 so you can afford

    Posted 4 months ago #

19. Thaddeusguru
    Member

    Wow mmateo ---- You're quite the stud!

    I've been checking out your stats and it appears that you really like those 45 cent buy

    in tourneys -- the last of the big spenders.

    Wow - and one time during the last couple of years you actually won $90 in one game.

    You must really be proud of your lifetime big score of 90 bucks.

    I'd be a little ticked at these stat guys for calling you a "Green Fish". At least they

    said you weren't quite as bad as a calling station. (why didn't you post this report?)

    But then, what do they know. Just because they know you fold your small and big

    blinds to any bet 75% of the time doesn't mean much.

    And, that you hardly ever try to steal a blind -- that doesn't mean much either.

    If you want, I'll get some more info for you. It's funny though, some of those

    places you said you play at never heard of you.

    See you on the tables -- studly!

    p.s. Don't you mean you'd come UP to .05 or .10 cent games?

    Posted 4 months ago #

20. mmateo
    Member

    I play every day $1-$2 $2-$4 cap on full tilt. $90 huh thats one hand to me. Tournies not the best as my highest cash was in an FTOP for $412 bit higher than $90. But tournies for me are very rare as cash games are more of a guarantee. I take it you dont play many cash games as big and small blinds are folded often. Why waste a call when a big pay off is a few hands away. Maybe I should un lock my sharkscope SNG stats for you and prove the several wins at the $100+ levels since full tilt does not even offer a .45 game, I dont think any site does. My bankroll speaks for itself and I guarantee I can sit at any table you can afford. Like I said talk is cheap put up or shut up see you at the tables.

    Posted 4 months ago #

21. mmateo
    Member

    I will be hosting a private tourny on Full Tilt soon for me and some friends feel free to join. Will prob be a mere $10+1 as most of them dont play online. If you want the password all you have to do is ask...

    Or if you like I can set up a heads up me and you for any amount you wish.

    Your such an angry person poker is fun and funner when you win. Play to win and leave the looking up stats for the losers...

    How can I win several $900+ pots and only show a high win of $90. Google my name and you will see the FTOPS cash. So if you rely on those stats your in trouble. I will not post the hand histories on here as its not relevent. I also have the histories of the 7 royal flushes I have won with online. All of which were over $90. One of them was a 4 flush royal board as I only held one of the cards. I guess that was because of the rigged software.

    Posted 4 months ago #

22. Thaddeusguru
    Member

    mmateo - remember when you were bragging about your skills? (boy that's a stupid question because you're always bragging about your great skills - which is very typical for a loser of your stature).

    Well, you were saying how great you are because you play 4 games at a time. A little flaw in the statistics systems show the $2.00 matrix games as .45 cent tourneys. That's
    where these listings come from.

    Lets get something straight -- you're a bs'r, loser and a liar and I can't afford to waste anymore of my valuable time on your ignorance. --- NO I won't see you at the tables.

    Posted 4 months ago #

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