Hi recently joined PPA and I am just curious about something I have noticed playing online at Full Tilt. If there are any other members who also play there and have some input I would appreciate it. First of all let me say I am 29 and have played poker on and off my whole life. I really started playing seriously right before the "poker boom". When I say seriously I mean regular home games I read, have all the (poker bibles) books. I live in Arizona and play 3-6 limit regularly, make a couple trips to Vegas yearly and consider myself a pretty astute player. I do well in cash games home or casino. I have really worked on my tournament game and finish consistently in the top 30% of MTT's online and live. Here is my situation. I prefer live games but decided to play online more because of the convenience. So I registered an account at Full Tilt. I stuck 50 dollars on played low limit sng's, MTT's did ok lost it after about a week and half. Then I did a 100, lost it after a while, long story short over three months I have lost about 1,000 dollars. I did my best cashes at 10-20 dollar 9 person max sng's and 90 person max Ko MTT's/sng's. My point is I really feel like the RNG there is not correct. I had weeks where I could not win guys would catch hands where they literally had three outs and would catch I had numerous hands where I would have the best fl and guy would be on a pocket pair but did not have one of my flush cards in his wired pair and the card he could win with would be to spike his set but only one card would do it (the other 6 for example would give me a flush). I had guys catch the most insane cards to beat me? Now I know bad beats are apart of the game and when you play more you see more but I got busted time after time. I am from the school of poker that you make your hand and make it expensive for someone to draw out. Poker is made hands vs. drawing hands plain and simple (maybe not as simple as that but I know how to calculate outs,odds implied etc. but I think anyone who plays well understands what I am saying). I got sick of being drawn on and having people make their hands in the most erroneous ways. So what I am asking is does any one else feel like the RNG caters to one hand or the other? I mean it was seldom that I would be involved in a hand and myself and opponents just whiffed and missed completely. I found it very odd. The number of times the board would double up it really made me feel like they are in no way simulating the poker experience. I have since not reloaded and refuse to play there at all. I also understand on lower limits you have more donkeys who will call anything. I just felt the need to put this out there perhaps I just had a long bad streak? I am by no means a world class player but I am definitely not the guy you want at your home cash game if you plan on being profitable. I was also curious if I was to sample hand histories how could I prove that the probabilities are off on the site or that their RNG is completely off? I never emailed the staff there about this but miracles happen on that site often and I really feel that something is askew there. If you read this far I would really appreciate any input from players who may share my experience or not. Again I was just curious what other FT players might have to add or share. Thanks for your time.
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Posted 2 years ago #
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Chukphx- It's a frequent complaint from people moving from live games to online play that suckouts happen more often or that their hands don't hold up as often. This phenomenon is an illusion caused by several factors. The first, as you pointed out, is that you will see more short-term variance (timewise, not per # of hands, which is a better indicator) because you are getting an exponentially higher amount of hands per hour. Additionally, the average internet game post-UIGEA is much, much more difficult than the average low-limit live game. This is mostly because playing online is such a pain in the ass at this point, it's difficult to get money in, it takes a long time to cash out, some sites have pulled out of the US market, and other startups don't even allow US players, so generally, if you are playing online today, you are pretty serious about playing some poker. Also, there is a psychological effect of internet play that you might not be considering. It's more difficult for many players to make a laydown online. Consider this hypothetical, you have an open-ended straight draw on the turn, a tight, solid player pots it, and it is your action, you are sure he has at least an overpair to your draw. In person everyone is watching your decision, you know that you will hear their comments after the hand, "he doesn't know how to calculate pot odds, he's a maniac, that was so obvious". You have to physically put your chips into the pot, and they feel really heavy when you are calling without odds and you know it. Also, you know that if you spike your 8-outer on the river after a bad call, the table will sympathize with your opponent, while if you miss, noone will care. It's almost a lose-lose situation psychologically. Conversely, if you are faced with the same situation online, your chipstack is just a number on a screen, it barely feels like money, you can't just take it to the cage in 3 minutes and get cash, the call is just a click away, you don't have to see or speak to anyone else during or after the hand, it's tougher to tell that your opponent is solid and tight, because you have no physical tells, and you probably haven't been watching his earlier hands because you are probably playing 7 other tables at the same time, as well as watching some tv and eating dinner, and if you fold, you won't get to see that last card, and you let some buffoon with a donkey avatar and a name like "bongrip6969" push you off of your hand with who knows what. I've played live and online for several years, and I have had the same feeling that you have on many different sites vs live casinos, and that's my best explanation for it thus far. I would recommend playing 2-3000 sngs on FTP the same way that you are used to playing and then check your stats on http://www.sharkscope.com. You will probably find long winning and losing streaks (in the last 2000 games i've had a 17 game losing streak while still maintaining a 23% ROI overall). If you still aren't where you want to be, perhaps try altering your bet-sizing, such as making the smallest bet that will cut off the pot-odds of your opponents when you have a made hand, if you think maybe they will call no matter what, you will still give yourself odds without getting hammered when they hit. Hope this helped to some degree. Good Luck at the tables, also, call your representative this morning :) Cheers.
Arkitekt83Posted 2 years ago # -
Arkitekt83,
Thanks for your advice. I hadn't really looked at it from that perspective. I just kept thinking "how could I be a long term loser?" I am smarter than my opponents and definitely not making maniac calls. I am pretty aggressive and I was just thinking today that perhaps by betting smaller and keeping the pot odds down that I might give myself enough room to miss more hands and still be able to manage my chip stack for making it past the bubble and cashing more. Will do on the representative bit! Thanks again.Posted 2 years ago # -
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